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December 17, 2011

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Holger

Can't wait for the book...

R Vaught

Very well done!

Thomas Elam

I hope it's available from Amazon as an e-book. One sale is guaranteed!

me.yahoo.com/a/i_4TEB0Un.MOl5WYTY8Mt0Y-

I ran into this with a client of mine - he didn't want to update his 17" Core Duo Macbook Pro just to get iCloud. I agree that it's annoying that iCloud requires OS X 10.7.1 or higher. Heck, it works with Windows XP!

That being said, it was not too hard to convert everything over to Google for syncing instead. Multiple calendars are a bit tough, but work well once set up.

I can understand requiring iOS 5, but requiring Lion doesn't make a lot of sense to me, except for the fact that they are trying to do more than just contacts, calendars, and mail with the new iCloud service, and some of the "new" stuff will require Lion.

Duncan Babbage

You detest Apple's online upgrade process but praise Ubuntu "that I can download from their servers". (You can create an install disk with the Lion download too—it's not difficult to do, and you'll quickly find the instructions online.)

You criticize Apple for the fact that Lion can't run on your older hardware. Meanwhile, you prefer Android over iOS, even though iOS 5 runs on three year old hardware whereas most Android phones ship with out of date software and never catch up to the current version, if they are give software upgrades at all.

Apple don't claim iCloud is a free service in isolation from their hardware—it's clearly advertised as free for Lion and iOS 5 users. Sure, users of Snow Leopard would rather it was otherwise. If one thing has characterized Apple, however, it's the willingness to not support 2006 machines with their latest offerings, so they are not limited to the capacities of those machines in what they build now. Meanwhile, try running Vista on a 2006 non-professional range laptop and see how you go performance wise.

Your hardware preferences are your own, and are perfectly valid. But you are picking and choosing your arguments in inconsistent ways, that are contradictory.

Good luck with the book.

ocracokewaves

Obviously you missed the whole point of the article.

Your comments ignore what I said in the article. I specifically said Apple didn't hide the fact that it wasn't free to anyone but Lion owners.

However, there are lots of free services out there like Google's and Microsoft's that don't require me to use a particular operating system or have the latest and greatest hardware to administer it.

Ubuntu's default way of getting an install is to make a CD. They tell you out to do it on their website. I'm not interested in finding third party instructions on how to do my Apple OS installs.

Also as I detailed in the article, I have a very specific reason why I don't want to use Lion. You would have seen that if you had paid attention to the article instead of worrying so much about Android.

You seem to think it is a bad thing to support older hardware on the Mac. I'm glad you have the budget to buy the latest and greatest stuff, but not everyone does. I am not sure what capabilities I might get with Lion, but I am sure my life is immeasurably poorer because I haven't upgraded.

One of Apple's favorite things is tell you that you will have these amazing capabilities if you upgrade to the latest OS. Every time Apple rolls out a new operating system promising some of these wonderful capabilities, I go to some Apple system engineers and ask them which applications that they see on the horizon which are impossible in the current OS. I have never gotten a good answer. In fact I am still waiting for some killer apps available only in Snow Leopard.

Perhaps iCloud itself is the one app that Lion will enable, but I can get it's features in other places without new hardware.

As to Android, which you obviously don't like, I have enjoyed all the fancy syncing ability that is promised in iCloud since I bought my Android phone almost two years ago. I am not even sure which version of Android my phone is running but I get my photos on Picasa web albums synced with my phone. It has always been that way. My contacts are synced with multiple Gmail accounts. My contacts were in sync less than two minutes after buying my ancient Android phone which you apparently believe is unusable because it doesn't have Android's ice cream sandwich.

The maps that my Android phone creates from tracking me get seamlessly uploaded to My Maps on Google maps and I can edit them and attach photos from any platform, not just the latest and greatest Mac hardware and software.

Amazon's cloud services seem to work well for music and don't need the latest and greatest hardware or software for it either.

By the way if you had taken the time to pay attention to the article, my i5 iMac was purchased in October 2010. It is way out of date at 14 months old.

The truth is something that I have said about Apple for many years, they don't really understand the Internet.

They have always made their Internet services more difficult by trying to tie them to specific hardware and/or software combinations.

Updating a specific photo album on .Mac was not an easy proposition if you ever tried it from more than one Mac. I can't remember what it is like on MobileMe because I quit using it due to how slow it was. You should give Microsoft's free SkyDrive a whirl if you want to see speed.

If you have ever tried to publish a blog using iWeb from more than one machine compared to using Typepad, Wordpress, Blogger, or Squarespace, you would understand what I am saying.

The data needs to be hardware agnostic for something to truly be an Internet service that is worthy of the name.

With real Internet service platforms, I can start writing a post on a Windows 7 box using Opera, move to my i5 Mac using Safari, and finish on my Dell Linux box with Firefox without doing anything but logging into the service. I could even do editing on that ancient and obviously unusable Android phone. You cannot do that with iWeb.

However Apple wants to tie iCloud to Lion (or a new iOS device) and wants to shut out hardware and an operating system that is only 14 months old.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me as someone who just spent a lot of money on Apple hardware a little over a year ago. I don't expect them to support my seven year dual G5. It would be nice, but I know Apple better than that.

Apple's iCloud doesn't free you from specific hardware dependence, and even if you are like me and recently spent money on Apple gear, you will have to spend more money to use Apple's free services.

Actually I don't trust Apple with my photos. There is proof over the years that my lack of trust for their handling of photos and web pages has been a wise sentiment.

ocracokewaves

Just to prove my point on true Internet services, I just tried something which makes it pretty clear that Apple has become the new Microsoft.

I used beat up Microsoft because many of their services were tied to Internet Explorer. Guess what company has seen at least some light. It is Microsoft.

Yesterday I uploaded a number of photos from my Windows 7 laptop using a Firefox browser to my Microsoft Skydrive.. Later in the evening I added to one of the folders some photos from my Snow Leopard iMac using Safari as the browser.

This afternoon, I logged into my SkyDrive from my Oneiric Ocelot Ubuntu Dell machine with Firefox and uploaded a picture to the same album without any problems.

Then I went back to my iMac and uploaded a photo to a MobileMe album using Firefox. Next I moved over to my Linux box and tried doing the same thing.

Even though I was running the latest Firefox on Ubuntu, I got this message.

http://www.crystalcoastlife.com/notatrueinternetservice/unsupportbrowser.html

Now Linux has a very small market share compared to Windows or MacOS, but other manufacturers even Microsoft manage to support it, but Apple won't. There was a time when you could argue they don't have the money, that is not the case today. They just don't want to do it.

I suspect Windows 7 will work, but I haven't tried it yet. Apple has always reserved a special spot in its heart for Linux.

Real Internet services manage to support most if not all platforms that have wide use.

I am sure iCloud will be great for those hooked on the latest and greatest from Apple.

The rest of us will get by with those other services that have already been doing a great job for a number of years.

Dropbox is a great example of an Internet service that works for almost everything, and it is really free.

Ben F

To transition from MobileMe to iCloud, just find a friend with Lion for permission to log into a guest account. You might want to hold off until next June, though, because I think that you would immediately lose most MobileMe functionality on your non-Lion Macs.

My wife and I each have user accounts on the other's Mac. She wanted to bump her iPad to iOS 5, so she upgraded her Mac to Lion and transitioned her MobileMe account to iCloud. I'm standing pat for now, so her MobileMe account on my Mac is dead and her address book and keychain no longer sync between the two laptops. It's a worthwhile trade-off for her because her contacts are always up-to-date on her iPad and losing keychain sync isn't that big a deal if you're a heavy-duty 1Password user.

Phil

Interesting post ... I am a fairly long time Mac user and enthusiast ... bought an SE/30 while studying CS at Rutgers in the late 80s ... a few times wishing I had also bought what I paid for the Mac in Apple stock ...

I recently noticed what you said in regard to Lion. I have office 2004 ... & realized if I upgraded to Lion ... it would not work. It works fine now ... why do I need Lion? I would then just need to shell out more for Office ... o the irony in that! I also realized that I needed Lion to get iCloud ... sort of by principle I do not like the idea of needing to upgrade to get the "free" service ... in the mean time .. Dropbox does a great job!

Katy

I too was a faithful fan of Apple's until this recent iCloud fiasco. I run my business online and need a reliable computer that will suffer the knocks of life without becoming obsolete after two years. As an avid environmentalist I also used to think that the durability of apple products meant that hardware was not being consigned to landfill and tips and clogging up what little space we have left on this planet.
Now it seems that my 2007 iMac is about to be relegated obsolete despite working beautifully. All because I cannot upgrade to Lion and so retain my .mac email.
I'm afraid with the economy as it is I am one of many who simply cannot afford the new shinier versions of the macs out there and nor (even if I had the money) would I buy one as they no longer have the quality that we came to expect with the high price tag.
So it's bye bye Macs and hello cheap and cheerful PCs. I wonder if Tim Cook recognises that Apple are about to lose a host of customers?

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