The Apple value proposition?

So here I am trying to figure out whether or not I want to buy a MacBook Pro.  I'm certainly not going to order one for a few months, but I am starting to think about my next laptop as my PowerBook approaches two years of age.  After all I'm down to one memory slot at this point with the recent failure of my bottom memory slot.  The real question in my mind now that I'm working in a company that is essentially Windows with a couple of Mac users and a similar number of Linux users sprinkled around is whether or not a Mac laptop is worth the extra hassle.

Now it's easy to say that everything is seamless.  I have no problem with our Samba file server.  It's true that all the platforms can work together without any problems if you really work at it.  It works that way in my basement office because I went to a lot of trouble to figure out how to do it. 

Now I'm in a different environment and many things work great.  Printing isn't one of them, and there is no one who has the mission to make my Mac work seamlessly.  We have a Dell 1600N printer which shows up as a Xerox Bonjour printer on my Mac which also seems to have the right drivers.  Yet when I print to the 1600N the Mac always thinks the printer isn't working.  I can rotate 30 degrees and use my Dell Laptop to print to the same printer without any problems. 

There are some other things that I need to factor into my consideration. Once in a while there is something a little odd on a spreadsheet, perhaps just the background color on a cell I want someone to fill out, nothing big, just something irritating. Also for our fast transaction based business, I'm considering moving the sales people from Salesforce.com to ACT!  Salesforce is web based but we're experiencing some terrible problems with Salesforce availability, and we use only a small subset of Salesforce's features so the ACT! client based solution might be better and cheaper for us.  The problem is that it only runs on Windows machines.

The other software that I use is pretty simple and available on both platforms.  MS Office, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, the Firefox browser, and Filemaker Pro are the products I rely on these days.  Right now some of these packages will likely run on the Windows platform a little better until developers get everything ported to Intel for the Mac.

Then there's is the big important feature for small businesses, price.  Right now the Sony VAIO® FE590PB Notebook is significantly less expensive than the MacBook Pro.  To start with the Sony comes with a gig of ram while the MacBook Pro comes only with 512 megs which borders on ridiculous these days. When my current Powerbook had to live on that little memory while I was waiting for a 1 gig dimm, it was not a very fun system. The Sony also comes with a 100 gig drive, and you can order a dock for it.  The MacBook Pro has a little better screen resolution but the Sony has the XBRITE-HiColor™ Technology.  The MacBook Pro is a little lighter, but the Sony has three USB 2.0 ports compared to two on the Mac.  The Sony comes with on site repair, and the MacBook Pro has Apple's standard PowerBook depot service.  The Apple specifications are impressive but so are the Sony's.  They both are also very nice looking systems.

When you add memory and hard drive size to make the systems relatively similar along with a modem which I still use a couple times a year in strange spots like the Outer Banks, the MacBook Pro ends up being priced at $2,348.  The Sony's price is $1,899.  So the price differential is $449 for buying a Mac. Put in other words, the Mac is 23.6% more expensive than the Sony.

I would have to buy a $69 subscription for Virus protection for the Sony, but you may have to start doing that for the Mac. I'm not sure how the OS "upgrade" prices would factor into the equation. I haven't lived long enough in the Windows world to comment intelligently on that.  You could probably give the Mac an edge on software, but until I have used the Sony software suite, I'm not willing to concede that point, especially based on my needs.

Of course the biggest problem for the Sony is that it isn't running OS X.  However, given the software and printing challenges, it might make more sense for me to move to the Sony especially given what may be a long and protracted schedule for making my favorite software Mac Intel native. I remember how long it took the last time around.  Even then I'll still be missing ACT! and hoping someone figures a way for it to run on a Mac.  Some of the website analytic software I'm considering for the company also only seems to come in Windows versions, and then I already went to a small business version of Quicken that only runs on Windows.  There are ways around all of those challenges (like carrying a second laptop) but do they make my life even more complicated?

I am disappointed that Apple seems to once again have made the decision to take its loyal customers to the cleaners on price.  It's just going to reinforce all the subtle price comments that I've heard since joining a basically Windows world.  My favorite is "Not all of us can afford to run a Mac." I've given up pointing out the obvious that iMacs are pretty competitively priced.   

As to Apple software included with the MacBook Pro, the only item in the iLife suite that I really use is iPhoto with iDVD and iMovie distant second and third place apps. I like Keynote and what it can do, but it's really an app that I won't die without or pay extra for consider I end up with Page which I don't use.   I'm convinced that the replacements for the iLife suite in the Windows world aren't so bad these days.  They've come a long way.  For my one or two iMovies a year, there will still be a desktop Mac at home.   Also as is usual these days,  most new interesting technology comes out first for Windows machines.  A good example of this is the new Photomatix HDR photo product which is already shipping for Windows.

I would be very interested in hearing pro and con arguments on the Sony and MacBook Pro products. I'm certainly on the fence right now.  Of course it will be interesting to see both products reviewed by the same person.  I'll be glad to volunteer.

I'm just not certain that I'm willing to pay that much extra to be a Mac user. Even with the unknown cost, challenges, and potential benefits of Vista on the distant horizon, it doesn't necessarily make the Mac a better choice. The little challenges in being a Mac user in the almost all Windows business world just make it that much easier to finally give up and buy that Sony and all those Windows versions of my favorite software and be done with it.  Carrying two laptops to work each morning isn't a very exciting long term prospect. 

Of course if I bought the Sony, I wouldn't get to agonize over the decision whether or not to stay a Mac user every two years.

Comments

[Ulf Hednar]

It doesn't sound to me like you need an Apple. If I were you I'd just order a cheapo Dell ($800) every 9 months. If you were doing any serious computing you wouldn't have to wonder whether or not you needed a MacBook Pro, as you would NEED it to get said work finished. The Dells work great, cost less. There is a little head on table banging that goes along with a Microsoft run system, but it's a whole heck of a lot better than it used to be.

[ocracokewaves]

So the problem is that I already have a perfectly nice Dell D601 Latitude on my desk.

It just doesn't do anything for my soul. I'm wondering if the Sony might help in that department. Maybe going over to the darkside wouldn't be as bad with a nice white fancy Sony.

I guess I shouldn't expect more than just computing out of a comptuer.

[Ulf Hednar]

Oh . . . you want soul . . .

Yesterday I went the local Apple store and ran a 1080p trailer on the fastest G4 PowerBook Apple makes. It jittered and sputtered, fumbled the sound, a real mess.

Then I when ran the same 1080p trailer on a 2.0Ghz Core Duo iMac (same CPU as in the MacBook Pro I just received 10 minutes ago, unless my wife it torturing me) and it played flawlessly.

That's soul. Oh yes, brother, that is S O U L.

[elliot]

A real Mac user would never consider switching every couple of years let alone "agonize" over it.

Using a Mac is play.

Using a Windows machine is punishment.

[James Bailey]

The MacBook Pro has a lot of hardware that is better than the Sony. The screen is better at 1440x900 v. 1280x800. The video card is better, an ATi X1600 v. NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400. The RAM is faster, PC2-5300 667 MHz v. PC2-4200 533 MHz. The ethernet is better at 1 GBit v. 100 MBit. The Video connector is better using a DVI v. VGA for the Sony (though I think the dock has DVI.) The battery is better 60-watt-hour lithium-polymer v. Standard Lithium-ion Battery (VGP-BPS2B) though I can't find a watt-hour rating on it. Then there is the back-lit keyboard and the ambient light sensor. Both missing on the Sony.

Then there is the issue of size. The MacBook Pro is smaller at 1" and lighter at 5.6 lbs v. 1.02” -1.39” and 6.2 lbs. Even the thinnest portion of the Sony is thicker than the MacBook.

The only advantages to the Sony besides price is a dual layer DVD, a built-in modem and PCMCIA. Neither the modem or PC-card slot do anything for me. But I will take the lighter and smaller and more powerful MacBook Pro at a somewhat higher price.

Can you even tell us what XBRITE-HiColor(tee-emm) technology is? Sounds like a bogus marketing term for "this screen is just as bright as a Powerbook's." (I've heard some chatter lately that PC laptop manufacturers have been shipping LCDs with bright shiny panels on them that make them seem brighter in BestBuy showrooms but make the actual picture worse to look at... when I hear a trem like that it rings some bells in my mind.)

Anyway, why are you even buying a new laptop? If you buy a new computer every two years and worry about price, then just use that "perfectly nice" Dell. If you want quality, pay a bit more for a MacBook and keep it an extra year. These things really don't become obsolete all that fast. In addition to my state-of-the-art iMac, I still use a 5 year old 500 MHz Powerbook G4. Sure it won't do HD video or funky games, but that's not what it's there for. It will run fine anything you mentioned above, except maybe Dreamweaver which I've never used. (Indeed, by your "512 RAM borders on ridiculous" comment it seems you tend to give into the hype... it was less than 2 years ago that most PCs and Macs shipped with only 128 MB of RAM, and guess what - 10.3 (and 10.4 with those silly widgets turned off) runs just fine with not much RAM.)

Enough rambling, try this: buy the MacBook through Amazon for a $150 rebate, and then when you upgrade to the big new technology in 2 years, take advantage of Apple's unusually robust 2nd-hand market by selling this one on Ebay or Craigslist. That way the next one is effectively half price.

(And they say Macs aren't upgradeable...)

[ocracokewaves]

My 1 Ghz Aluminum Powerbook G4 was introduced on 7/22/02 according to a CNet review.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Apple_PowerBook_G4_PPC_G4_1_GHz_15_2_TFT/4505-3121_7-20690615.html

So this summer the technology in it will be four years old even though I've only been using it for two years.

As you might have heard, people were calling Apple Powerbooks a little long in the tooth until the recent announcements.

I also have widgets turned off on my system. I can assure that a PowerBook with 512 megs of ram won't do what I need it to in a satisfactory manner.

I often have nine or ten tabs open in Firefox, over 10,000 photos in my iPhoto library, Mail with five to ten emails open, Excel with three or four spreadsheets, and Filemaker, along with Adium, Preview, and sometimes even Word or the deadly close Dreamweaver. Fortunately I rarely use iPhoto during the day.

My job requires me to jump from one application to another. I'm asking a lot from technology that is nearly four years old and it's handling it pretty well. Some of the web technology that I use is very demanding.

All good things must come to an end which is why I'm looking for the future laptop. I tend to keep my old computers and use them for backups and for specialized purposes. I look forward to using my PowerBook for many years, but it eventually won't be my main day to day system.

Also I don't think just because a computer will run something means that it can run it satisfactorily for a fast paced Internet business.

As to the Xbrite technology, why is it when anyone but Apple tries to brand something that it is hype. Remember Apple's hype before Tiger's release. Why is "Spotlight" more honest marketing than Xbrite. I plan to make the decision on what I see on the screens instead "chatter."

If you want to read about Xbrite, here's a link.

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesOnline/technologies/xbrite/xbrite.html

You're also ignoring the whole Mac in a PC shop issue which trust me is a lot bigger than most people think if you trying to get real work done with no support staff.

[Nisse]

Look at the Acer 8200, I bought one instead of a Mac this time and I am very satisfied with this computer.
I's also Intel Duo Core with a god konfiguration. 2GB RAM, 120GB HD and a very good screen. The batterylife is better and so on.
I already have a G5 and a PowerBook G4 som I don't need more Macs ...

[Ulf Hednar]

I got my 2Ghz Core Duo MacBook Pro yesterday.
I transfered all my files and configured it the way I want it.

It opens iPhoto, with 3k of photos, in about 2 seconds.

All my writing software is running fine under Rosetta (I'm a novelist).

Everything loads so fast . . . the screen is sooooo bright, gorgeous. The keyboard, which feels very solid, lights up when it gets dark.

And I can't believe the quality of the built-in video camera. It just doesn't seem possible.

I'm also surprised at the Wifi signal strength. There is a bit of rubberized material near the hinge which must have the antenna in it. Very clever these Apple folks.

I've only tested one game, Nanosaur 2. I had know idea there was so much detail to be had in that game! It is like playing it all over again. And now I can play the split screen with my wife.

[PG]

Lexmark makes most of the Dell Printers. Check out one of the Lexmark MFP's and see which one matches closest to the Dell 1600N and see if it has a driver for the Mac OS X.

Mac OS X drivers are available for these printers:
http://www.lexmark.com/uncomplicate/site/home/0,7085,204816596_0_0_en,00.html

good luck

[ocracokewaves]

Unfortunately this one appears to be made by Xerox. It shows as 1600N. Maybe I will take your idea a step further and check the Xerox site.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[PG]

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060225174600412&lsrc=osxh

this link talks about making the Dell MFN 1600N work with the Mac.

That is why at work I recommended a printer that connects to all OS's like HP or Ricoh, Brother etc.

[Tai Toh]

I have the same Dell 1600n MFP and I've had the same problems trying to print to it using Bonjour.

Strangely enough, I was able to connect to the printer by connecting to it using the Appletalk protocol and it's IP Address. I'll post another comment when I get home and verify the settings. Seems to be a much more elegant solution than the one posted at MacOSXhints.

Don't know why that works, but give it a try. I basically stumbled onto it.

Cheers, -T

[ocracokewaves]

Actually I haven't had time to post recently, but I managed to solve the problem.

Somehow mine had gotten switched to IPP printing. I reset the printing system, which I believe deleted the printer.

Then I set it up as LPD printer, entered the IP address and selected Generic PostScript Printer, and I have not had any problems this week.

We bought a new Xerox printer this week and they even have downloadable Mac OS X drivers, but I set it up also as LPD printer and it is also working fine, but since I had the drivers, Mac OS X knows what the printer is. The printer ends up doing a great job with color from my Mac.

[faulbaer]

I guess you have been with the mac for some time now and since I'm sort of a young mac-user (from 2001 on regularly), I can only point out that things changed with my MacBook Pro 15"

Since i've got this machine I can run Windows 98 and 2000 (the later I just got as a gift) in my Parallels Desktop. With the 2 Gb of RAM I can have my usual warm fuzzy mac-feeling along with the expierience of the Windows World of Terror (tm).

As soon as i switch the Parallels Desktop into the fullscreen mode, I have a complete Windows-system with all I hate about it - and that lighning ffast - Ok, it's not yet ready for serious games, but i can play 'Total Annihilation' in a 1024x768 resolution very nicely.

If it's only about staying with the mac and not needing to carry two notebooks around ... well ... Parallels Desktop is the answer. And now even the real professionals of virtualisation VMWare entered the competition for the fastest best PC-on-PC solution. That's going to be great for all of us.

I can't emphasize how important it is to have Mac OS X and Windows working parallely very fast.

faulbaer

[rick Kooistra]

always go for a mac!! check this: www.macosx.com you will see that a mac is the best computer ever made

catch ya later!